S'arrêter v arrêter

JeramyC1Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor

S'arrêter v arrêter

Why does one say "j'ai arrêté de parler" and not "je me suis arrêté de parler"? 

arrêter is a transitive verb and thus to my understanding takes an object but the verb parler can not be an object in the example above. So how do I know what one to use.

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MaartenC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor Correct answer

I have linked to Larousse, and Robert agrees that 'arrêter' can have intransitive use also. 

https://dictionnaire.lerobert.com/definition/arreter. 

Academie-francaise only lists 'arrêter' as transitive, but also notes  "arrêter de ...(faire qqc)" as correct use, so regardless of what definition of transitive/intransitive is used, the non-pronominal use of "arrêter de..(faire qqc)" is also correct. 

As noted, wordreference defines 'arrêter de (faire)' as a fixed verbal expression - locution verbale.

 

MaartenC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

‘Arrêter’ can be transitive, or intransitive in some settings. (Larousse)

In this case,  ‘arrêter de faire’ qqc is a fixed verbal expression (wordreference).  

There does not appear to be significant difference in meaning in the right context between using arrêter de faire qqc or s'arrêter de faire qqc (italki link, previous comment from Cécile)

Interested to read others comments

https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais-anglais/arrêter/5352.  https://www.wordreference.com/fren/arrêter 

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/questions/view/arreter-vs-s-arreter-and-we-all-cross-fingers-vs-we-cross-all-our-fingers

https://www.italki.com/post/question-481364

JimC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

Hi Jeramy,

Further to Maarten's post. Is it not the case that in the expression  "Je me suis arrêté de parler" the direct object is the reflexive pronoun "me"?

Jim

JeramyC1Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor

Hi,  I suppose what I was asking was if "j'ai arrêté de parler" is used in a transitive way as it is here then where is the object? If I said "j'ai arrêté un taxi" taxi is the object of the transitive verb.

JeramyC1Kwiziq Q&A regular contributor

I'm looking at a dictionary and it clearly states "s'arrêter = intransitve, arrêter = transitive"

S'arrêter v arrêter

Why does one say "j'ai arrêté de parler" and not "je me suis arrêté de parler"? 

arrêter is a transitive verb and thus to my understanding takes an object but the verb parler can not be an object in the example above. So how do I know what one to use.

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