Salut! J'ai un question. Il est furieux contre elle, et elle est furieuse contre lui. Why is it not "Il est furieux contre lui"

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Claudia

Kwiziq community member

5 November 2018

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Salut! J'ai un question. Il est furieux contre elle, et elle est furieuse contre lui. Why is it not "Il est furieux contre lui"

This relates to:
Adjectives ending in -eux become -euse in the feminine form -

Steve

Kwiziq community member

5 November 2018

5/11/18

Claudia,

I think the answer is that stressed pronouns are required after certain prepositions (including contre):

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/my-languages/french/view/722

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

5 November 2018

5/11/18

Merci Steve.

But then we have "Elle est furieuse contre lui" And the other example "Il est amoureux d'elle, et elle est amoureuse de lui". Both frases in the sentence have the preposition.

Steve

Kwiziq community member

6 November 2018

6/11/18

Perhaps I have not understood your question correctly.

Lui is the stressed pronoun for him.

Elle is the stressed pronoun for her.

Let me know what would make sense for you in those sentences.

Cécile

Kwiziq language super star

7 November 2018

7/11/18

Hi Claudia,

After prepositions you will use stress/emphatic pronouns which are:

moi, toi, lui, elle, soi, nous, vous, eux , elles

The following lesson will give you more explanations -

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/revision/grammar/common-uses-of-moi-toi-lui-elle-nous-vous-eux-elles-disjunctivestress-pronouns

I find students remember them well after the preposition 'chez':

Chez moi, chez toi, chez elle, chez lui, chez soi, chez nous, chez vous, chez elles, chez eux.

So in the examples you give,

Il est furieux contre elle He is furious with her

Il est furieux contre lui He is furious with him

Elle est furieuse contre elleShe is furious with her

Elle est furieuse contre lui  She is furious with him

It could be -

Nous sommes furieux contre elles We are furious with them ( them in this case being several women)

Hope this helps!

 

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

8 November 2018

8/11/18

Merci Steve. I guess my problem stems from not grasping these pronouns 

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

8 November 2018

8/11/18

Merci Steve. I guess my problem stems from not grasping these pronouns 

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

8 November 2018

8/11/18

Merci Steve. I guess my problem stems from not grasping these pronouns 

Steve

Kwiziq community member

8 November 2018

8/11/18

It's tremendously confusing.

The fact is that there are different types of pronouns, and many of the words appear in all those different lists of pronouns (there is a nice table on this page: https://www.thoughtco.com/french-pronouns-1368927).

So lui means "to him" or "to her" if we are using an indirect pronouns, but when a stressed pronoun is required, then lui is used for both masculine and feminine!

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

9 November 2018

9/11/18

Merci Cecile. I haven't studied this topic before, hense my confusion. Thank you for the link

Claudia

Kwiziq community member

9 November 2018

9/11/18

I am very grateful for your help. Merci beaucoup for the links. Very useful 

Cécile

Kwiziq language super star

9 November 2018

9/11/18

Steve, just a correction -

There are feminine and masculine forms in the stress pronouns:

elle feminine singular

lui = masculine singular

ellesfeminine plural

euxmasculine, or a mixture of the two, plural

Steve

Kwiziq community member

9 November 2018

9/11/18

Arrrg.

Yes - got them the wrong way round!

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