Comment se sont passées tes vacances ?

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Nabeel

Kwiziq community member

9 June 2018

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Comment se sont passées tes vacances ?

Why not ( comment tes vacances se passent-elles? ) ?

This relates to:
Passer, se passer, se passer de (different meanings of 'passer') -

Cécile

Kwiziq language super star

11 June 2018

11/06/18

Hi Nabeel,

The difference between the two sentences is a question of tense.

In the lesson it is "How did your holidays go?" in the past .

Your suggestion is "How is your holiday going?" which is the present tense.

Hope this helps!

 

Alan

Kwiziq community member

11 June 2018

11/06/18

Hi Cecile,

but why isn't it "comment tes vacances se sont-elles passées"?

Don't you have to use a pronoun in the inversion, as described here:

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/revision/grammar/forming-inverted-questions-with-nouns-in-le-passe-compose-conversational-past

Alan

Kwiziq community member

11 June 2018

11/06/18

I think I found the answer to my question. There is simple inversion ("Comment se sont passées tes vacances?") and complex inversion ("Comment tes vacances se sont-elles passées?").

Comment (and combien and quand) can be used with either form. always takes the simple form, and pourquoi always takes the complex.

Alan

Kwiziq community member

12 June 2018

12/06/18

Hmm it seems it is more complicated still. The behaviour with  also depends on the tense of the verb and the complexity of the sentence:

Où est Monsieur le Ministre?  

Où M. Le Ministre a-t-il éte reçu? 

Où M. Le Ministre est-il en ce moment?

My grammar book is not very clear on whether this also applies to comment etc.

Cécile

Kwiziq language super star

18 June 2018

18/06/18

Hi Alan,

If I have understood correctly, you are querying the additional pronoun used in some the more complex questions .

I believe it only happens with the inversion regardless of the tense.

In your last example, you could also say - 

Où M. le Ministre est-il? but it does sound rather pompous...

Some other examples would be :

Madame, va-t-elle prendre quelque chose avec son café?

Pourquoi Juliette va-t-elle seule au cinéma?

Où les enfants sont-ils allés?

and in the original example - Comment tes vacances se sont-elles passées?

Hope this helps!

 

 

 

Alan

Kwiziq community member

18 June 2018

18/06/18

Hi Cécile,

My point was that according to the lesson below (and other similar lessons), the form with an additional pronoun is always required, but it seems that actually in simple cases it is not required. (And sometimes probably should not be used, because it would sound pompous.) What defines "simple" seems to include tense.

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/revision/grammar/forming-inverted-questions-with-nouns-in-le-passe-compose-conversational-past

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