No explanation of when devoir can be used for "need to" instead of "must"

Patrick C1Kwiziq community member

No explanation of when devoir can be used for "need to" instead of "must"

How could you say "He needs a day off." ?

 

I answered:

 

Il a besoin d'un jour de congé.

*Il doit un jour de congé*

Asked 2 months ago
CécileKwiziq team memberCorrect answer

Hi Patrick,

The verb -

 devoir quelquechose à quelqu'un =  to owe something to someone 

Elle me doit de l'argent = She owed me money

Je lui dois beaucoup I owe a lot to him/her

The verb devoir to mean obligation or something you have to do will be followed by a verb and not a noun -

Je dois aller au supermarché I must go to the supermarket 

Nous devons rendre visite à notre tante = We need/have to visit our aunt

Hope this helps!

JimC1 Kwiziq Q&A super contributor

Bonjour Patrick,

In one way or another, this type of question has been discussed many times on the forum.

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/questions/search?search=devoir

https://progress.lawlessfrench.com/questions/search?search=devoir+besoin

Try them both  -  they are not the same set of answers

Hope this helps

Bonne journée

Jim

Patrick C1Kwiziq community member

@Cecile, thanks for replying, but unless I'm missing something, your answer doesn't address the question. The one example is use of devoir to mean "owe", which I understand. The other basically says that it means "must/have to", but does not address when to use it to mean "need to"

@Jim, thanks for your response as well. I looked at the links and neither of them appear to address the question.

It would be really nice if Kwiziq could do a quick lesson on it, as it seems to be a recurring problem.

Thank you both for taking the time to respond.

CélineKwiziq team member

Bonjour Patrick,

When you want to express "to need [something]" (i.e. "to need help/money" for example), you use "avoir besoin de [something]" as explained in the lesson content: "As for expressing to need [something], it will always be avoir besoin de [quelque chose]". Using "devoir" here means something very different (see examples below).

Il a besoin d'un jour de congé He needs a day off
Il doit un jour de congé (à ses employés) = He owes a day off (to his employees)

I hope this is helpful.

Bonne journée !

Patrick C1Kwiziq community member

After discussing this with a French speaking friend it seems that if besoin is followed by a verb, you can use the devoir form to mean "need to". If it is followed by a noun you cannot

No explanation of when devoir can be used for "need to" instead of "must"

How could you say "He needs a day off." ?

 

I answered:

 

Il a besoin d'un jour de congé.

*Il doit un jour de congé*

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